VFTB Live: Enemy of the State / What is Dominionism?

Extreme Prejudice

WHAT HAPPENS when you cross a government that claims the power to silence dissent? Susan Lindauer, author of Extreme Prejudice: The Terrifying Story of the Patriot Act and the Cover Ups of 9/11 and Iraq (and first cousin of former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card), discusses her ordeal after being accused of acting as an agent of Iraqi intelligence.

Susan was arrested in March of 2004 after she volunteered to testify before a blue ribbon commission on pre-war intelligence on Iraq. Lindauer approached two commission members, Trent Lott of Mississippi and John McCain of Arizona, with her offer of testimony. About a month later, she was indicted by a grand jury and charged with being an unregistered agent of the Iraqi government.

Susan claims that her only crime was trying to persuade her cousin, Andy Card (then chief of staff to President Bush), that war against Iraq was inadvisable and unnecessary. She based her opinion on information she claims to have gathered as a liaison to the governments of Iraq and Libya while serving as an NOC (non-official cover) asset for the CIA and DIA.

She also claims that her CIA handler, Dr. Richard Fuisz, confirms information gathered from other sources — Michael Riconosciuto (via Cheri Seymour’s The Last Circle), and former DIA operative Lester K. Coleman in his book Trail of the Octopus (both links point to free online copies of the books) — that link Iran and the Syrian-based Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine for the Pan Am 103 bombing.

The point is this: regardless of the charges against Lindauer, the fact that the government of the United States can arrest and imprison American citizens without allowing a defense in open court should be a chilling wake-up call.

In the spring of 2006, we interviewed Navy veteran J Fields about the plight of Susan Lindauer. You can listen to the interview, presented in three parts, by clicking here.  Our previous interview with Susan on VFTB is archived online here.

Susan’s letters to Andrew Card are still available online at J Fields’ blog here, here, and here.

In the second hour, we examine Dominion theology in depth with Sarah Leslie of Discernment Ministries. Sarah outlines the defining characteristics of Kingdom Now theology and its links to transhumanism and the New Age Movement. Read Sarah’s article, “What is Dominionism?”, online at Apprising Ministries.

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3 Comments on VFTB Live: Enemy of the State / What is Dominionism?

  1. I know I am months late to this conversation, but I just discovered your sites and really enjoy them, and just listened to this podcast.

    I found Sarah Leslie’s interview very disturbing, in that, according to her, I am a dominionist, because
    * we have pounding music in church
    * we have signs and wonders (especially healings) in our church
    * yet, we believe in using technology to aid the body’s healing (when prayer doesn’t work)
    * We believe using technology to maybe grow more food to, you know, feed the poor is a good thing.
    * we believe we should be out in the community, work, school, wherever we are, sharing the love of Jesus, or as Sarah said, “being Jesus.” I thought that was why Jesus went to the Father, to send us the Holy Spirit, so we could fill the earth with his rule and reign. Shame on me
    * I am trying to write a fiction novel to spread kingdom theology – that nothing can stop God’s purpose and yet he cares about all of us individually.
    * my teens (I’m a youth pastor) pray for people we don’t know right then and there in public. They receive words of knowledge, dreams, and visions.
    * we believe in planting churches to spread the gospel.
    * We care for the environment as a steward, you know, that “green thing” as Sarah said.
    * the founder of our movement worked at (gasp) Fuller with Peter Wenger (cough cough).

    Oh, we believe the point of signs and wonders is to lead people to Jesus, and they do! We believe words and visions and dreams should be tested against the Word of God, and it’s crazy to think we as Christians should take over the government to institute sharia/OT law. We believe Jesus paid it all on the cross and THAT’S the point of everything, and someday he will return. In the meantime, we are to multiply his image, through the power of the Holy Spirit, throughout the whole earth. If that makes me a dominionist, then fine. I thought I was an ambassador.

    If it doesn’t make me a dominionist, then I suggest more care being focussed on what makes dominionism heretical and less on what it has in common with many who want to spread the gospel.

    • Doug: your comments are well taken. I’ll go back and listen to the interview again because I thought we made it clear that the things you mentioned are symptoms of Dominion theology only in an overall context of reclaiming dominion of the Earth, defined as political control with the New Apostles and Prophets as God’s government.

      Pounding music isn’t bad in and of itself unless it’s used to induce an altered state of consciousness. God was pretty clear on contacting the spirit realm: “Don’t.”

      Signs and wonders aren’t necessarily bad, but the New Apostolic movement tends to accept all supernatural activity as evidence of the Holy Spirit. I believe prophetic dreams and visions can still come to the faithful, but not on command. And there is nothing in the Bible to suggest that we’re supposed to unquestioningly accept words from self-proclaimed prophets who are demonstrably and provably wrong.

  2. Oh, and when I said sharing the love of Jesus wherever we are, that also means in a bar. Sarah smugly suggested that puts me in the dominionist camp too.

    I was in a bar a few months ago, and a drunk woman came up to me and told me she had cervical cancer (I wasn’t expecting that). I ended up praying for her right there and then, and God moved her to tears. She later found her way to my church (through amazing circumstances), and found Jesus and a woman’s ministry reached out to her. In fact, I don’t go to bars often, but the last few times I went, I prayed for people twice. I’m starting to think I need to look for people to pray for on purpose (those two times, people came up to me to share their life’s hurts). If CHRISTIANS don’t go to bars to share the love of Jesus to the lost and hopeless, then who will??

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